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posted September 24, 2001 06:44 AM               

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what I heard about the Veyron :
1001 hp
406 km/h
1 million $

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posted September 24, 2001 08:53 AM               

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My views on the Veyron, and the McLaren. The Veyron could very well be faster than the McLaren by the weight and hp specs, but who here is going to find a place to drive either of these cars that fast. Knowing that you can go that fast is cool, but I'd rather look at the 0-60 times. We don't know this yet, but the Veyron might be faster here too. My point is that with two cars that are this fast I would look beyond speed. Both of these cars are so fast, and IF any of us here ever had one of these cars, the chance of seeing someone at a stop light with the other car is slim to none. I think the McLaren looks better and I would take that.
What about McLaren's 0-100-0 record. Will that ever be broken by a production car?

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posted September 24, 2001 01:34 PM               

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I'm not too surprised about 1001Hp, hell, even Nissan Skyline can give over 1000hp. But the thing that makes that car something astonishing is the fact that it has torque of 1250Nm! Well atleast I can't think what it would be.

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posted September 24, 2001 02:17 PM               

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Dunno if anyone else did, but i downloaded that cartest program that was a topic a while ago. To look at it's awful, but if you want to know how an F50 compares to a Reynard then it'll give you all the info you need to know, and displays a very crude race to 0-60 which is kinda funny. Anyhoo, my point is is that you can make your own cars, and if we can collect all the necessary data we need to create a new car, we could accurately measure the Mclaren against the Veyron....just a thought.

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posted September 24, 2001 02:37 PM               

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I totally agree with you kramermic, at this point of performance the only big difference would be the design, I prefer the look of the Veyron so I (would) better buy it. But you know people always wants to be 'the' best and therefore have the best car, I think that's why we compare so seriously the statistics of all these supercars.
Bugatti leaves a lot of secret about the Veyron and it may be better than the Mac Laren F1... We'll see.

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posted September 24, 2001 07:54 PM            

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Bugatti is talking 0-60 times of around 3.0 seconds or less. That, of course, is the target. Which explains why they'll need 987 bhp (the 1001 figure is German DIN - about 1% more than SAE).

The Veyron is going to be a heavy car, with all the luxury amenities, which differentiates it somewhat from the McLaren in terms of philosophy.

It's very true that top speed's essentially irrelevant these days, and becomes a factor only for bragging rights. I suspect Ferry Piech is eager to make sure the Veyron is the ne plus ultra of the automobile kingdom, so the 250 mph target exists simply to add historical magic to the car.

Not that you'd buy a Veyron merely for that.

(Oh, and if aftermarket tuners can pump 1000+ bhp from a Skyline, think of what they could do with a 987 bhp W16 ...)

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posted September 25, 2001 01:07 AM               

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I would take McLaren rather than Bugatti but I think I would wait for the F60 to crack the 250mph. I think the 0-60 time is irrelevant too, 0-100mph, 0-200kmh, 0-100mph-0 and the standing km tells much more about a car.
I like the 1250nm, that is nice!

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posted September 25, 2001 05:56 AM               

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Valve, Volksvagen announce that the Veyron do the 0-300 kph in less than 14 sec.

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posted September 25, 2001 03:40 PM            

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I doubt the F60 will be designed to crack 220 mph. It'll be more of a driver's car than an ultra-high performance machine.

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posted September 26, 2001 04:07 AM               

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by deoverian:
[B]Valve, Volksvagen announce that the Veyron do the 0-300 kph in less than 14 sec.

That is good, very good, oh sh#t...

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posted September 26, 2001 08:32 AM               

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Posted by 48valve:
I think the 0-60 time is irrelevant too, 0-100mph, 0-200kmh, 0-100mph-0 and the standing km tells much more about a car.

I agree completely! I would also include skid pad, and slalom. Any american muscle car can put up respectable 0-60 or QM times, but that really tells nothing about the car as a whole, and its ability to be driven.

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posted September 26, 2001 01:42 PM               

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IMO mid range times are the most useful, as they're the ones that can actually have relevance on the public road. By mid range times i mean between 30-70mph for example.
That Veyron is awesome...I think it's gonna have quite a few cars for breakfast!

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posted October 05, 2001 04:24 AM               

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Hilloooo. Sorry for the length but I wanted to make a point.
Now from where I'm standing it seems like the bugatti is a bit heavy. Now I don't have the exact figures so correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it weigh nearer the two ton mark, Aston martin Vantage teritory. I'd take TVR's Speed twelve any day, 800bhp and only weighs 1062kg. The only advantage I see of the new Veyron is that it is more luxurious, but do you really buy a supercar for that. I'm not dissing the bugatti here, I really like it but I don't think its as good as people think.
Another thing, 1000bhp is nothing new. Like someone said before, Max Power got 1000bhp out of a Nissan Skyline and a Toyota Supra I think. Even earlier, porsche had a sports racing car(the 917) that put out around 1100bhp in the late 70's early 80's. Same thing applies to some of the group B/Pikes peak rally cars. Audi actually had a 1000bhp out of a quattro but found it was too hard to drive.
Nowadays it isn't hard to make a seriously fast car, just take something like a cahteram or westfield and put a half decent engine in. On the road, ye never gonna reach 240 mph and whats the point anyway, thats not real driving, anyone can do 240 on a straight bit of road, 30-120 is the time you really need. So just take ye Cahteram and slip a 260bhp 2.0 litre vauxhall engine in all for under £15,000 and you'll easily skin ferrari's, porsche's, although you'll probably only meet the odd boy racer in his nova.
There point made.

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posted October 05, 2001 04:34 AM               

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About the Mclaren 0-100-0 time, it has been broken. Theres a car called a dax rush, its allot like a cahteram but allot scarier. Anyway, it uses all cossie running gear (engine, diffs, gearbox, the lot) so ye basically left with a car that weighs, well nothing and 300+bhp through all four wheels. And then ye using the cossie brakes on the same car so were talking Formula 1 car stopping distances. I think it doesn't do 0-100 faster the mclaren but it does 100-0 wey faster.

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posted October 05, 2001 08:26 AM               

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I don't know too much about Bugatti's history of numbers forecasting for their cars (as opposed to Porsche which always tosses out a conservative figure only to see the car pump out significantly better numbers on actual road tests). Specifically, the one number put out by Bugatti that is truly astonishing is the 0-186mph mark which it claims the Veyron will churn out in under 14 seconds. If you think about it, that's a frightening number. For example, I just read that the 2001 Z28 will run a 1/4 mile in 13.8 seconds at 122 mph. I'm not sure how to translate 0-186 <14 sec. into a 1/4 mile time, but my guess would be right around the 10 sec mark or less. That would beat out the best Mclaren time (11.1 I believe), for a car that has interior furnishings that will put a Rolls to shame. That in itself is reason enough for the Sultan to bust out the check book.

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